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Re: Israel launches massive air strikes on Gaza, killing nearly 200
« Reply #60 on: December 30, 2008, 04:01:55 AM »
You have a point. However, you could also re-phrase that and substitute Brits or Americans.

The problem with most of the Arab world is that they have been ruled by ruthless American stooges for so long that nobody thinks that anything else is possible (and before them they were British and French stooges).

Look at Egypt. If the "average Egyptian on the Clapham omnibus" counted for anything with Hosni Mubarak and his American-bought-and-paid-for regime the border with Gaza would never have been sealed.

The same can be said about Jordan. Or Saudi Arabia. Or...

The creatures who've been running the UK and the USA for a very long time have invested a lot of time and money setting up this system - being Children of Satan they don't think in human time-frames but plan for the long term.
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Re: Israel launches massive air strikes on Gaza, killing nearly 200
« Reply #61 on: December 30, 2008, 04:36:58 AM »
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The land `sales` in Palestine that took place before 1948 to Jews involved only around six percent of the land of Palestine, and were only possible because the Ottomans and British (not the Palestinians) ruled the land and corrupted the land laws.

I don't think you're quite right here. The land laws in effect in Palestine were Ottoman, and had been since the Ottomans replaced the Seljuk/Abbasid/Fatimid rulers of the area in the late Middle Ages.

The Ottomans (post-Gulhane Rescript and the Tanzimat) from the middle 19th Century had a policy of settling any Jews who could escape from Europe and Russia into Ottoman lands on "Imperial Land" or on the Sultan's own land holdings. Few if any of these Jews were Zionists.

Sultan Abdul Hamid II flatly refused to countenance any land sales to Jews like Herzl and Weizmann, even when they offered to pay off the Ottoman national debt, so he had to go - enter the Young Turks stage left (all of whom were freemasons, and most of the leaders of whom were dönme) and the "democratic" Young Turk Revolution of 1908. So everything that is sold as Ottoman after 1908 should properly be ascribed to the Jews - including the Armenian Massacres of 1915.

The Jews were roundly hated in Britain - even Cromwell couldn't get his Commonwealth Parliaments to rescind the Banning Act. But steadily from the 17th Century a number of Sephardis managed to return to Britain and settle. Some, like Disraeli, even converted to Christianity.

Even these Jews were opposed to the influx of Ashkenazis that happened at the end of the 19th and early years of the 20th Centuries. The Sephardis despised them as filthy, uncouth, and revolutionary - with good reason. It was these who produced the Zionists, although some deluded Sephardis joined their ranks (like Herbert Samuel).

Now, of course, the Ashkenazi Zionists run the show and the old Sephardis are a minority that lives for the most part in an aristocratic English sub-culture - family names like Sassoon, Henriques, Navarro, Montagu.

The Zionists were only able to gain ground with the British Government in 1917, after three years of an expensive and ruinous war, and the arm-twisting that produced the Balfour Declaration was facilitated by the promise of three things: (1) the USA would join the war, (2) finance would be withdrawn from the German Empire, (3) extra credit would be extended to the British and French Empires.

This was opposed by the leading Sephardi in the War Cabinet, Edwin Montagu, who managed to water down some of the provisions of the Declaration.

So, really, everything that happened after 1917 was conditioned by the Zionists.

Even so, the way that Britain ran the post-War Mandate was not helpful to the Jews, and usually opposed to them.

The land purchases had been done by the Jewish National Fund, and were bought from individual Arabs for the most part. But they didn't acquire anything like enough land for what the Rothschilds had in mind.

All that came about through the Americans at the end of WW2 by inflating the area of land in Jewish possession to the UN (they didn't actually own anything like the amount they claimed to), then the UN awarded the nascent State of Israel something like double that quantity, then they grabbed a lot more (Deir Yassin ring a bell?), then came the 1948 War,... and so on.
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Re: Israel launches massive air strikes on Gaza, killing nearly 200
« Reply #62 on: December 30, 2008, 05:12:08 AM »
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You have a point. However, you could also re-phrase that and substitute Brits or Americans.

The Judaic Conspiracy has been IN THE OPEN for AT LEAST 60 years in the Arab world. It has been hidden with extreme malice in the West. Currently, that cover is being ripped off and I assure you..."The Jew" is going to last 5 minutes in the open in the Western World. The Arabs have had 60+ years. I dont get it?

Please...i think it's pretty simple - 2+2=4.

 ???

I was talking to an aircraft engineer who spent years in the Middle East including Israel. He said that basically the Arab world will begin pulling together and then someone will complain that they want the front seat in the victory parade and then the other General complains that he insulted him back at an exchange officers club 20 years previously and the other guy complains that the other general dissed his Uncle 50 years previously and then it's on...sorta like the Irish but far worse.

The Jew laughs.
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Re: Israel launches massive air strikes on Gaza, killing nearly 200
« Reply #63 on: December 30, 2008, 05:22:33 AM »
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Sultan Abdul Hamid II flatly refused to countenance any land sales to Jews like Herzl and Weizmann, even when they offered to pay off the Ottoman national debt, so he had to go - enter the Young Turks stage left (all of whom were freemasons, and most of the leaders of whom were dönme) and the "democratic" Young Turk Revolution of 1908. So everything that is sold as Ottoman after 1908 should properly be ascribed to the Jews - including the Armenian Massacres of 1915.

I BET they were PURE Sephardi Jews...the whole lot of them.

The joke in Israel in the 80's was that the Syrian M.I Cheif was a Jew...and passing stuff on. It was an in joke about the COMPLETE infiltration of the Arab world and could explain why the Arabs cannot get it together as they look to their LEADERS.

Maybe the should try "Leaderless Resistance" and bypass the blockage.
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Re: Israel launches massive air strikes on Gaza, killing nearly 200
« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2008, 07:38:19 AM »
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Is there any such thing as a "victim"?

Yes, when a party is overpowered. And that`s been the case with the Palestinians by the Zionists (as with the Iraqis by the US) `“ and I did not and do not interchange ``Palestinians` with `Arabs` as you do. Also, if there`s no such thing as a `victim`, then there`s no such thing as justice and a reason to have laws, courts, jails, and fines.

This isn't to say it`s wrong to criticize Palestinian tactics.  But the idea that the plight of the Palestinians today and what got them here is essentially their own fault, absolves Zionists and their backers of responsibility for their own actions, misrepresents the enormous imbalance of power that exists (and has always existed), and in so doing serves the zionist cause.
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Re: Israel launches massive air strikes on Gaza, killing nearly 200
« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2008, 09:04:20 AM »
Thanks for the interesting post. What I was referring to was `The Ottoman Land Code of 1858` . 

From Rashid Khalidi, "Blaming The Victims," ed. Said and Hitchens:   
http://www.wrmea.com/jews_for_justice/earlyhistory.html


  • "[The Ottoman Land Code of 1858] required the registration in the name of individual owners of agricultural land, most of which had never previously been registered and which had formerly been treated according to traditional forms of land tenure, in the hill areas of Palestine generally masha'a, or communal usufruct. The new law meant that for the first time a peasant could be deprived not of title to his land, which he had rarely held before, but rather of the right to live on it, cultivate it and pass it on to his heirs, which had formerly been inalienable...Under the provisions of the 1858 law, communal rights of tenure were often ignored...Instead, members of the upper classes, adept at manipulating or circumventing the legal process, registered large areas of land as theirs...The fellahin [peasants] naturally considered the land to be theirs, and often discovered that they had ceased to be the legal owners only when the land was sold to Jewish settlers by an absentee landlord...Not only was the land being purchased; its Arab cultivators were being dispossessed and replaced by foreigners who had overt political objectives in Palestine."

Also, from "The Alienation of a Homeland: How Palestine Became Israel*":
http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/halbrook.html

  • "While the peasants perceived their right to their land to be based on long-standing possession and cultivation, the Ottoman code regarded the ultimate landowner to be the Sultan, whose agents would terminate tenure for nonpayment of taxes or rent. Fellaheen were severely exploited by tax farmers, who, backed by troops, doubled as moneylenders at rates of 60% interest, and not surprisingly the State was regarded as an organized band of robbers.3
    The Land Registration Law of 1858, ostensibly passed to determine title to land, was actually

    • a means of identifying properties for the purpose of taxation and of disclosing the existence of persons subject to military conscription. For these reasons only a small proportion of transactions was recorded, and these chiefly concerned elderly persons, females, foreigners and those sufficiently influential to be able to avoid military service. As an index of owners, the registers therefore became hopelessly incomplete.... In order to avoid taxation, a person owning some hundreds of dunums had them recorded as an area of, say, ten or twenty dunums.4

    Peasants who registered their land at all often did so in the names of deceased or fictitious persons or of members of the effendi (gentry) or of urban merchants. Title thereby existed in the names of upper class Moslems, Christians, and Jews in Jerusalem, Beirut, and Damascus. Members of the urban elite filed whole villages in their own names, and tenure passed into the hands of those who were often landlord, tax collector, and usurer all in one. The bribing of officials and the blackmailing of peasants also played a role in the recording of ever more land in the names of absentee landlords.5 ...

    The increase in Jewish ownership was largely prompted by the founding of the Palestine Jewish Colonization Association (PICA) by Baron Edmond de Rothschild, the `Father of the Yishuv` (the Jewish settlement in Palestine) who for decades was to be the largest Jewish landowner in Palestine and Transjordan. Rothschild `bought land from the feudal Effendis, sometimes by bribing the Ottoman administration, and drove the fellahin off the land.`7 Some of the same fellaheen were hired to work the land they once cultivated as their own." -more-