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Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« on: December 12, 2008, 09:15:31 AM »
U.S. now only 2 states away from rewriting Constitution
Critic: 'This is a horrible time to try such a crazy scheme'

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Posted: December 12, 2008
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By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


A public policy organization has issued an urgent alert stating affirmative votes are needed from only two more states before a Constitutional Convention could be assembled in which "today's corrupt politicians and judges" could formally change the U.S. Constitution's "'problematic' provisions to reflect the philosophical and social mores of our contemporary society."

"Don't for one second doubt that delegates to a Con Con wouldn't revise the First Amendment into a government-controlled privilege, replace the 2nd Amendment with a 'collective' right to self-defense, and abolish the 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendments, and the rest of the Bill of Rights," said the warning from the American Policy Institute.

"Additions could include the non-existent separation of church and state, the 'right' to abortion and euthanasia, and much, much more," the group said.

The warning comes at a time when Barack Obama, who is to be voted the next president by the Electoral College Monday, has expressed his belief the U.S. Constitution needs to be interpreted through the lens of current events.

Tom DeWeese, who runs the center and its education and grassroots work, told WND the possibilities stunned him when he discovered lawmakers in Ohio are considering a call for a Constitutional Convention. He explained that 32 other states already have taken that vote, and only one more would be needed to require Congress to name convention delegates who then would have more power than Congress itself.


"The U.S. Constitution places no restriction on the purposes for which the states can call for a convention," the alert said. "If Ohio votes to call a Con Con, for whatever purpose, the United States will be only one state away from total destruction. And it's a safe bet that those who hate this nation, and all She stands for, are waiting to pounce upon this opportunity to re-write our Constitution."

DeWeese told WND that a handful of quickly responding citizens appeared at the Ohio Legislature yesterday for the meeting at which the convention resolution was supposed to be handled.

State officials suddenly decided to delay action, he said, giving those concerned by the possibilities of such a convention a little time to breathe.

According to a Fox News report, Obama has stated repeatedly his desire for empathetic judges who "understand" the plight of minorities.


In a 2007 speech to Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion provider, he said, "We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."

Obama also committed himself to respecting the Constitution but said the founding document must be interpreted in the context of current affairs and events.

Read how today's America already has rejected the Constitution, and what you can do about it.

Melody Barnes, a senior domestic policy adviser to the Obama campaign, said in the Fox News report, "His view is that our society isn't static and the law isn't static as well. That the Constitution is a living and breathing document and that the law and the justices who interpret it have to understand that."

Obama has criticized Justice Clarence Thomas, regarded as a conservative member of the court, as not a strong jurist or legal thinker. And Obama voted against both Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, two appointees of President Bush who vote with Thomas on many issues.

Further, WND also reported Obama believes the Constitution is flawed, because it fails to address wealth redistribution, and he says the Supreme Court should have intervened years ago to accomplish that.

Obama said in a 2001 radio interview the Constitution is flawed in that it does not mandate or allow for redistribution of wealth.

Obama told Chicago's public station WBEZ-FM that "redistributive change" is needed, pointing to what he regarded as a failure of the U.S. Supreme Court under Chief Justice Earl Warren in its rulings on civil rights issues in the 1960s.

The Warren court, he said, failed to "break free from the essential constraints" in the U.S. Constitution and launch a major redistribution of wealth. But Obama, then an Illinois state lawmaker, said the legislative branch of government, rather than the courts, probably was the ideal avenue for accomplishing that goal.

In the 2001 interview, Obama said:

If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I`d be OK
But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.

And that hasn't shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.

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DeWeese said the Constitutional Convention effort was begun in the 1980s by those who wanted to rein in government with an amendment requiring a balanced budget for the federal agencies.

"Certainly all loyal Americans want government constrained by a balanced budget," the alert said. "But calling a Con Con risks a revolutionary change in our form of government. The ultimate outcome will likely be a new constitution, one that would possibly eliminate the Article 1 restriction to the coinage of real money or even eliminate gun or property rights."

He noted that when the last Constitutional Convention met in 1787, the original goal was to amend the Articles of Confederation. Instead, delegates simply threw them out and wrote a new Constitution.

"We were blessed in 1787; the Con Con delegates were the leaders of a freedom movement that had just cleansed this land of tyranny," the warning said. "Today's corrupt politicians and judges would like nothing better than the ability to legally ignore the Constitution - to modify its "problematic" provisions to reflect the philosophical and socials mores of our contemporary society."

DeWeese then listed some of the states whose legislatures already have issued a call: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming.

"You may have heard that some of those 32 states have voted to rescind their calls. This is true," the warning continued. "However, under Article V of the Constitution, Congress must call a Constitutional Convention whenever two-thirds (or 34) of the states apply. The Constitution makes no provision for rescission."

The warning also suggested that the belief that a Constitution Convention could be directed in its purpose is misplaced.

"In truth no restrictive language from any state can legally limit the scope or outcome of a Convention! Once a Convention is called, Congress determines how the delegates to the Convention are chosen. Once chosen, those Convention delegates possess more power than the U.S. Congress itself," the warning said.

"We have not had a Constitutional Convention since 1787. That Convention was called to make small changes in the Articles of Confederation. As a point of fact, several states first passed resolutions requiring their delegates discuss amendments to the Articles ONLY, forbidding even discussion of foundational changes. However, following the delegates' first agreement that their meetings be in secret, their second act was to agree to debate those state restrictions and to declare the Articles of Confederation NULL AND VOID! They also changed the ratification process, reducing the required states' approval from 100 percent to 75 percent. There is no reason to believe a contemporary Con Con wouldn't further 'modify' Article V restrictions to suit its purpose," the center warning said.

The website Principled Policy opined it is true that any new document would have to be submitted to a ratification process.

"However fighting a new Constitution would be a long, hard, ugly and expensive battle which is guaranteed to leave the nation split along ideological lines. It is not difficult to envision civil unrest, riots or even civil war as a result of any re-writing of the current Constitution," the site said.

American Policy cited a statement from former U.S. Supreme Court Justice Warren Burger that said, "There is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda."

"This is a horrible time to try such a crazy scheme," the policy center said. "The majority of U.S. voters just elected a dedicated leftist as president. `¦ Our uniquely and purely American concept of individual rights, endowed by our Creator, would be quickly set aside as an anachronistic relic of a bygone era; replaced by new 'collective' rights, awarded and enforced by government for the 'common good.'

"And state No. 34 is likely sitting silently in the wings, ready to act with lightning speed, sealing the fate of our once great nation before we can prevent it," the center said.

A Constitutional Convention would be, DeWeese told WND, "our worst nightmare in an age when you've got people who believe the Constitution is an antiquated document, we need to have everything from controls on guns `¦ all of these U.N. treaties `¦ and controls on how we raise our children."

"When you take the document that is in their way, put it on the table and say how would you like to change it," he said.

American Policy Center suggested several courses of action for people who are concerned, including the suggestion that Ohio lawmakers be contacted.

WND also has reported an associate at a Chicago law firm whose partner served on a finance committee for Obama has advocated simply abandoning the U.S. Constitution's requirement that a president be a "natural-born" citizen.

The paper was written in 2006 by Sarah Herlihy, just two years after Obama had won a landslide election in Illinois to the U.S. Senate. Herlihy is listed as an associate at the Chicago firm of Kirkland & Ellis. A partner in the same firm, Bruce I. Ettelson, cites his membership on the finance committees for both Obama and Sen. Richard Durbin on the corporate website.

The article by Herlihy is available online under law review articles from Kent University.

The issue of Obama's own eligibility is the subject of nearly two dozen court cases in recent weeks, including at least two that have gone to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Herlihy's published paper reveals that the requirement likely was considered in a negative light by organizations linked to Obama in the months before he announced in 2007 his candidacy for the presidency.

"The natural born citizen requirement in Article II of the United States Constitution has been called the 'stupidest provision' in the Constitution, 'undecidedly un-American,' 'blatantly discriminatory,' and the 'Constitution's worst provision,'" Herlihy begins in her introduction to the paper titled, "Amending the Natural Born Citizen Requirement: Globalization as the Impetus and the Obstacle."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83364

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2008, 09:17:24 AM »
Like WND or not, this crap is going on now!

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 09:32:42 AM »
That the Constitution is a living and breathing document and that the law and the justices who interpret it have to understand that."

Next it will have flesh and blood and smack judges on the side of the head.

Now all it is is a prostrate zombie. The constitution was flawed from the get go, for the purpose the elite have had in mind for two centuries, the elevation of the propertied class to Godhood, to be served for eternity by We the Peasants.

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 09:37:07 AM »
i dont think barack obama could look thomas jefferson in the eye without pissing his pants.

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DeWeese then listed some of the states whose legislatures already have issued a call: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and Wyoming.

thats only 26 of the 32 states; i can only assume new york, massachusetts, and california are on the list as well.
idaho, and the dakotas? what can i say? you all disappoint me.
texas? et tu, brute?

montana is looking better and better. time to invest in carhartt coveralls and double ought.  ;D

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 11:53:40 AM »
It would be great if I could post this on the homepage, but a certain member has gone crazy with the Money Matters Topics..................

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 11:56:44 AM »
lulz.

you should see my flags list.  ;D

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2008, 01:47:02 PM »
The constitution of the united States is a contract between individuals that created a separate entity called government, where within it, the contract explains how this entity is to function.  Unless a person signs the contract or takes an oath to uphold the contract, the contract has no authority over the individual.

The constitution of the united States was a Jewish Coup d'etat, that created a fiction in reality to have dominion over another.  Think of the constitution, as a Trust, which creates a separate entity (like a God) in order to have dominion over another, for their posterity "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"- The Preamble of the Constitution of the United States.   It is the same paradigm that Judaism tries to create using "GOD said" for control from the group to the individual, for the benefit of their posterity.  Granted, the entity was supposed to be subservient (by the consent of the governed).  But, because the direction of control is from the group to the individual, it was the original fraud, which creates a Master/Slave paradigm (actions speak louder than words).   

The constitution has no authority over an individual that doesn't sign or take an oath to uphold the contract.  The Collectivist paradigm of "Government said", outside the consent of the individual is a crime against humanity.

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2008, 01:50:30 PM »
shut up, kook.

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 01:58:05 PM »
NewMath : shut up, kook.

You just exposed your criminal bible thumping head banging mentality, that has no concept of reality or right from wrong.


Please, stick that sock puppet up your ass so I can watch you fight for air

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 02:28:05 PM »
Putting the philosophy and linguistics aside.

This has been in the making for sometime. This is why all judicial branches have been ignoring the Obama Birth Issue Lawsuits.

The actions of the Con Con, will bring about PNACS Plans for the North American Union, with the UN dictating our new humanity laws.




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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2008, 02:36:03 PM »
Tom,

A constitutional convention can not resolve the inherent problem that it creates, by being a collectivist paradigm of control.  Outside the context of the contract (by signing or takes an oath to uphold the contract) the contract has no authority or validity over the individual.

Articles of confederation, where one creates a compact (by consent only) between individuals, is the only legitimate form of governance.

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2008, 02:41:59 PM »
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Putting the philosophy and linguistics aside.

let me know how that works out for ya.  ;)

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 04:19:15 PM »
The constitution started out to be a set of rules for a central gov't to support states interests.  From there it grew to become a lot less.  But, just like any published law, it has no moral authority over anything.  Oaths to it are no more binding than New Year's resolutions. 
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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2008, 04:29:37 PM »
http://www.wethepeoplecongress.org/

The We The People Congress is a nationwide, non-partisan, not-for-profit membership organization of constitutional activists committed to "institutionalizing" citizen vigilance through civic education, monitoring of governments, and organizing grassroots programs of civic resistance to confront and repel tyranny.

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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2008, 04:38:56 PM »
The constitution of the united States is a contract between individuals ...

The Constitution of the United States is a contract between the States.  Individuals are not party to that contract, and have no standing regarding the legislative acts of government, or any action of government that is not directed at them individually, according to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Back to Political Science 101 for you.
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2008, 05:11:06 PM »
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The constitution was flawed from the get go, for the purpose the elite have had in mind for two centuries, the elevation of the propertied class to Godhood, to be served for eternity by We the Peasants

Our Constitution was just a sop given to the people to gain their support in the Colonial Establishment's efforts to gain financial independence from the English Establishment. They realized their mistake and have been nibbling at it ever since to chisel on their deal. The common man was drawn into it by promises. The Constitution was given to the soldiers in lieu of pay.

Just as there are good Jews, there are also good politicians. They have pretended to support the Constitution in order to further their personal aims and rivalries.

Our constitution is the peoples contract with the Government. It is intended to keep our representatives, just that, and not our rulers. Every amendment to the Constitution should be an increase in our rights, and not a decrease. The "Flag Amendment" is a case in point of their using the media to weaken the Constitution. Liquor and Firearms prohibition are another example. They are gradually eroding our rights, and we have to make the masses aware, in order to stop it.

The government is selling us a bill-of-goods and we're buying it. They are without shame, and we are without backbone.

We have many veterans who can be reminded of their oath to defend the Constitution against all (its) enemies- Foreign and Domestic. People have to be educated that true patriotism is to the Constitution, and not to a Flag or politician. An attitude of "our country, right or wrong", is not patriotism to our people, but rather only to our politicians. Blind loyalty is destructive of freedom. Forcing the politicians to be loyal to the citizenry is preferable.



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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2008, 06:15:54 PM »
WindRiverShoshoni : a contract between the States. 

The individual is the only thing that physically exist.  "The states" is just another fiction in reality.  The legitimacy of any contract is by the consent between each physical individual behind any contract.

Back to reality 101 for you, head banger.

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Re: Constitution Rewrite Only 2 States Away!
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2008, 06:33:22 PM »
Umm ???

16 years of Bushclinton:

a depression

endless proxies wars for Israel

wholesale looting of the public purse

aerial demolition attack on the most heavily defended cities ever

almost complete control of foreign policy, judicial, and education by a self proclaimed supremascist state.

And people are bitching about a constitutional, democratic initiative to change the above?:

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2008, 06:35:39 PM »
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according to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Back to Political Science 101 for you.

Judges don't make laws.  Join her.